Gitarové fórum A.D. 9.1.2004

No kedze s Cmorikom som bol vyfakovany do piciniec, ze ci som si nepomylil forum, tak som zvedavy ci vam ulahodim, ked si tu trochu rozoberieme \"YS\", klenot klasickeho italoprogu.
Musim uznat ze z obdobia 70tych rokov je to popri Marian \"Varga & Collegium Musicum\" a \"Passion Play\" od JT, asi moja najoblubenejsia vec vobec.

To sa mi uz viac lubi tato tema Jano. ;)

Nuz co dodat, toto je klasika z Talianska, ktora je zrovatelna s Close To The Edge od Yes, Foxtrot od Genesis alebo Thick As a Brick od Jethro Tull z toho isteho roku. Tento album mi velmi sedi, hlavne svojou pochmurnou dramatickou atmosferou a vybornymi napadmi. Klenot progrocku 70tych rokov. Pridavam, par fotiek kapely a ich genialneho klavesaka Gianni Leoneho. Keith Emerson moze v tichosti zavidiet jeho napadom a hre. :) Obavam sa ale, ze sme tu jedini dvaja na fore, kto to pozname.

To je kapela alebo album alebo ako ?

Kapela sa vola Il Balletto Di Bronzo a YS je ich druhy a bohuzial posledny klasicky album z roku 1972 (nahrali nejake remaky aj nedavno), povazovany za jeden z naj talianskych albumov progrockovej sceny, ktora je mimochodom minimalne tak zaujimava podla mna ako britska.

Tu je ich klavesak. Nizsie.

Naposledy upravil Progrocker, : 02.04.2006 o 15:34

progrocker napísal:


S tebou si ten SHS este preberem!:laugh:

2 Rastis: Il Balletto Di Bronzo je kapela, YS je ich jediny album.
Navrhujem aby Brano dal nejake sample.


EDIT: je to ich druhy album.

Naposledy upravil mmhardky, : 02.04.2006 o 15:38

tak jediny, druhy alebo posledny ?

Pozor, nahrali dva albumy, prvy sa volal Sirio 2000 tusim, to bol este klasicky hardrock z roku 1970. Potom YS a pred par rokmi nahrali remake YS s nazvom TRYS, ktory ale zdaleka nedosahuje nedostiznu pochmurnu atmosferu prveho. Gianni Leone v akcii.

(fotka sa stratila)

Este pridam nejake ukazky neskor. Tu je odkaz na pokec okolo albumu YS. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=155

Ukazky mi sem tradicne nejdu uploadovat, tak ich dam niekde na net.

Naposledy upravil Progrocker, : 02.04.2006 o 16:25

Takze tu su dve ukazky z nesuvisiacich casti albumu. Album pozostava z jednej skladby rozdelenej na introdukciu, 3 casti a epilog. Ukazky som oddelil kratkymi pauzami.

(ukazka YS1.mp3 sa stratila)

A este jedna.

(ukazka YS2.mp3 sa stratila)

Nikdy nezabudnem ako som tento album pustil prvy krat mojmu basakovi. Dali sme si kresla pred velke reproduktory, prihasli svetlo a cely album vypoculi jednym dychom.  Nemal slov! Povedal by som ze Balletto vo velkom ovplyvnilo nasu kapelu.

Naposledy upravil mmhardky, : 02.04.2006 o 16:59

No to hej, toto si pustit na kvalitnej aparature v tme je silny zazitok. Fakt zalezitost pre fajnsmekrov. Neodporucam pre ludi, ktori maju radi jednoduchy melodicky rock. :evil: :laugh:

Som si to vypocul, velmi dobre, takuto hudbu ja mozem tiez. B)

zaujimava muzika. :)

hehe,celkom fajn,len na to treba mat predsalen trochu naladu,a volnu izbu=ziaden spolubyvajuci za chrbtom,ktori to len tazko predychava :D ach ten intrak...

Ak by sa niekto chcel povrtat v talianskej scene, tak odporucam najma tieto kapely: Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Museo Rosenbach, Pholas Dactylus, Semiramis, Arti Mestieri, Picchio Dal Pozzo, Metamorfosi, Area, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Osanna, Cervello, Cherry Five atd atd. Najlepsie veci boli z rokov 1972-1975, potom to islo dolu vodou. Talianska progova scena z tychto rokov bola neskutocne bohata. Ja mam z nej asi 60 albumov a vacsinou vsetky patria do kategorie dobre/vyborne/bomba. :laugh:

Tu je vyborna stranka pre prehlad kolko progrockovych kapiel mali.

http://www.italianprog.com/

Tu som nasiel video asi najznamejsej talianskej progovej kapely PFM (Premiata Forneria Marconi) z nejakeho vystupenia pre TV. Na zaciatku je kratka ale zaujimava demonstracia Mellotronu a Minimoogu. Je to asi tak z roku 1972.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJGEY0LE9L4&search=prog%20italian%20mellotron%20music%20rare

Naposledy upravil Progrocker, : 05.04.2006 o 14:13

Tak som sa konecne dockal noveho vydania tejto klasiky s lepsim zvukom z USA a skoro som sa z neho zas po...l. :uff:
Na nete som este nasiel anglicky preklad textov, takze ak by to niekto mal a chcel vediet o com sa tam spieva, moze si precitat.

INTRODUCTION


The voice told

to the last who

remained in the world

the true reality.

And then ordered

to go to its people

to tell the truth

and the game started.

That voice pressed the chest

with the pain of the things understood

perhaps (it or he ?) was in time to tell

also to the others

perhaps (it or he ?) was in time to tell

also to the others.

What’s the life of a man who has cried

like seeing a clear sky

like staring your eyes into the sun

like catching a hand holded out.

And the voice pressed the chest

with the pain of lived things

he had to go soon, he had

to go soon.

Poetry of a windy day

the last leaf of a dead tree

the first April sunny day

a warm body a hand nearby.

 
FIRST MEETING


He went beyond the mounts and beyond again

never turning back to look

long is the journey he has to do

but he has to go yet.

A man is here, with the face downwards

and ivy already embraces his body

black is all his blood

wounds of ripped ears.

The voice forced him to shout

all that was to die inside himself

and all he shouted was brought away by the wind

and he would never hear something.

 
SECOND MEETING



He’ll see, he’ll see

even if he doesn’t be able to hear

what can tell him

a clear sky.

A face of an old man

already next to death

wasn’t faith before

now it’s strong.

The look of a  man

who doesn’t fear…

what is he if he miss

a steady voice

he has seen: the night,

the ending day,

women in the dark

who were ready to betray,

hands holded out,

absent faces,

good people die,

mighty people rejoice.

But he didn’t remain thinking

he had something to search for

and night not came, nor the day

and the horizon remained over there.

He did not surrender

he did never surrender

he didn’t asked himself:

man, where’re you going?

What he saw was another man

with his arms cross-bended

and he did not hear his voice…

he came near him and spoke to him.

But in those eyes with no light

prickly thorns were infixed

then he felt those wounds as his own

 and then light went away.


 
THIRD MEETING AND EPILOGUE


With spreaded arms

for the road in the darkness he searched

with the fingers a shape (something) he felt.

All he could feel

was

death’s coldness

between his hands,

his true word

came up from his chest another time.

But his mouth

tired and motionless remained

that shout crushed him,

ripped him inside

and the darkness around

came inside him

and light was never more.
 

progrocker: A co povies na new trolls ??? ti sa mi asi najviac pacia z talianskych kapiel

Poznam, mam od nich par albumov. Podla mna nie su nejako zvlast zaujimavi, talianska scena mala ovela zaujimavejsie kapely. Radil by som ich do takeho priemeru u nich.

Ys-vypoculi sme si so spadnutou sankou  :uff: .  Paradny psychedelicprog-rock . Zaujimave zvukomalebne plochy sa striedaju s kontrastnymi castami . Kapela ma svojsky-mne veeelmi sympaticky feeling . Bohuzial mi tam strasne vadi vokalny prejav toho chlapa , strasne  :-\  :X . ( ale tie zborove casti su naopak,  zas fasa) .

Mne nevadi, podla mna sa tam velmi hodi, dotvara atmosferu. Je to pomerne typicky vokalny prejav na taliansku scenu. Pokial si vezmes ze ten album bol nahrany v roku 1971, tak to napadmi a hranim v pohode tromfne hocico z UK v tom roku.

Mozem jedine suhlasit. Su tam pasaze,ktore tlacia cloveka do kresla. A talianske spevy su bohuzial aj pre mna tazsie stravitelne a netyka sa to iba tejto kapely...

Rasto, vies si tam ale predstavit ine spevy? Na talianskej progrockovej scene je typicke, ze viac vyuzivali postupy z klasickej hudby a ich folkovej hudby a absolutne obisli anlgosaske vplyvy prakticky (najma blues, bluesrock). Neviem, ci by sa tam hodil iny - povedzme ze "britsky rockovy" typ spevu. A navyse som rad, ze spievaju v taliancine. S anglinou by to nebolo podla mna ono, stratilo by to nieco.

Taliancina je v pohode, ta mi nevadi ani stipku. Ide o tu prilisnu expresivnost. Mne sa napriklad velmi lubili spevy u polskych SBB, pekne po polsky - to je parada...

Ich hudba je myslim tiez velmi expresivna, podla mna je to dobre skombinovane. SBB maju fajn spevy aj vokaly, to mas pravdu. Hlavne album Pamiec (1977) - moj najoblubenejsi od nich.