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[RobG]

mne zneje V30 najlepsie na ucho v BOGNER boxoch.

[Majo Fero]

Nie je nahodou Mesa V30 trochu iny? Nie je trochu potunovany podla poziadavky vyrobcu?

Ano, je.

vsetci aj celestion aj mesa tvrdia, ze je to ten isty reprak, jediny rozdiel je, ze sa robi v UK a nie v Cine

To nemozem potvrdit. Myslim si, ze rozdiel je podobny ako pri snimacoch. (rozna cievka, rozny magnet, vlastne vsetko rozne akurat merania su priblizne

ja jsem treba nezpozoroval nejaky zasadni rozdil mezi cinskyma V30 a uk verzi, pokud jsou oba dostatecne vyhrane, ale ta Mesa V30 je fakt trosku jina. Zkusal jsem vsechny repra v jednom boxu a ta mesacka me prisla zvukove mekci a jakoby frekvencne niz polozena.

Skusal som Cina V30, Orange V30, Framus V30, Mesa V30 a Marshall V30 a kazdy hral dost odlisne. Aj ked prve tri hrali najviac podobne.

Skoda, ze neviem najst ukazku mesa v30 vs. orange v30 v tom istom 1*12tkovom boxe, ale v strucnosti - Mesacka V30 hrala viac do Vcka, metalovejsie. Orange mal gulatejsi zvuk, viac stredov.

Pisat sa moze hocico, papier znesie vela, ale v priamom porovnani je rozdiel. Nehovoriac o roznych rozmeroch boxov.

Amen 

[Majo Fero]

mne zneje V30 najlepsie na ucho v BOGNER boxoch.

Popravde sa mne Bogner V30 paci pomerne dost, dokonca aj v IR. Hehe aky len reprak tam vlastne davaju, podla ceny asi nie Cinu. 

[kaolko]

bogner dava uplne tie iste V30 jak vsetky firmy na trhu (okrem mesy)...

[styrioci]

bogner dava uplne tie iste V30 jak vsetky firmy na trhu (okrem mesy)...

marshall ma este tiez svoje V30, ktore su z tych V30 najviac uvrestane

[PS1984]

celkom zaujimavý post jedného maníka na marshall fore:

Heres some more info. The speakers are G12 vintage. They are the Marshall oem Vintage 30 speakers code T3987. They are voiced slightly differently than a regular Celestion Vintage 30. Mesa has thier own oem Vintage 30 as well. I thought I hated vintage 30s and was surprised when I played a 1960bv and really enjoyed it. I guess the reason why is because the marshall version is slightly different. heres a post from Steve fryette about the different versions.

"The 30 in V30 has nothing to do with power handling. But making a distinction between the Mesa version and the off-the-shelf version is legit, even though it has little to do with actual power handling capacity. The rated power handling of the V30 of any version (see below) is 65W.

The Mesa version is OEM. This is the T4416 model, which is a 16 ohm speaker. It is made in England specifically for Mesa. But Mesa didn't specify it that way. From what we were told by Celestion around 1997-8, Celestion changed the model T3904 (16 ohm) V30 design in the early 90s to make it easier and cheaper to produce. Mesa didn't like it and insisted on the original version, which then became an OEM model. The 8 ohm version of the Mesa speaker is the T4335. To get an OEM model from Celestion requires a large order. This speaker was made on a separate production line from the off-the-shelf V30, which as Van Nord says is fizzy and thin sounding by comparison.

There is a third 16 ohm version only used by Marshall - T3897 - which is even brighter.

When we were using Celestion speakers, we found out about the existence of the T4416 which we had purchased from our German distributor at the time and asked Celestion about it. They had claimed that they didn't offer OEM varitions of the V30, but changed their story when we sent them a T4416 "for evaluation". Then a new rep called us, confirmed that there were in fact two separate V30 production lines and agreed to make us a special T Number OEM speaker. After a couple of months back and forth, we placed a large order and requested the special number assignment, at which time they cancelled the order and reneged on the deal. That's when we switched to Eminence. We haven't used Celestions speakers since.

It's not that V30s don't sound good with our amps. It's just that the T4416 sounds better. The T3904 is now made in China and after all these years, the P50E does what we wanted Celestion to do originally - and does it better, in fact - so we don't need Celestions help.

So, if you like V30s, there is nothing about the amp design that will be compromised using a V30. Our amps are not voiced "only" for the P50E. What is optimized for the P50E is the cabinet design. In that, the P50 will perform better in our cab than any others.

And now you know that when you say V30, you could be talking about 5 different speakers - that all sound slightly different:*

T3903 Standard 8 ohm
T3904 Standard 16 ohm
T3987 Marshall OEM 16 ohm
T4416 Mesa OEM 16 ohm
T4335 Mesa OEM 8 ohm

[RobG]

poradte prosim. mam na ruke BOGNER 2X12 OS Box, no je osadeny 2 x Greenback. Obavam sa, ci by som ho neodpalil s Ampom, pouzivat k nemu chcem 50W DSL50/85th Anniversary Amp. Riskli by ste to alebo vymena jedneho za Creamback ? dakujem za podnetne postrehy z osobnej skusenosti   

[kaolko]

a mas niekedy DSL tak ze uuuuplne naplno? to sa mi este napriklad nepodarilo ani pri 50w uplne to vytocit.. asi by som sa ani nebal nejak moc toho

[RobG]

nikdy, max medzi 1/4 a polovicou

[styrioci]

nikdy, max medzi 1/4 a polovicou

nemas sa coho bat 

[RobG]

 

[kaolko]

totalne bezpecne a v pohodeee

[Roberto]

poradte prosim. mam na ruke BOGNER 2X12 OS Box, no je osadeny 2 x Greenback. Obavam sa, ci by som ho neodpalil s Ampom, pouzivat k nemu chcem 50W DSL50/85th Anniversary Amp. Riskli by ste to alebo vymena jedneho za Creamback ? dakujem za podnetne postrehy z osobnej skusenosti   

Robo, DSL50 ti to neodpali. Kazdopadne sam hram na kombo creamback+greenback a je to vyborne.

[RobG]

dikes

[KOV]

Servus. Nahral som jedno dosť nepodarené video na porovnanie v30 a g12t-75, ta to sem dám:
Nahrával som skype mikrofónom do počítača.